Monday, 21 June 2010

Clegg and Cable Tell It Like It Is

Hat tip to Tom Harris MP and poignant for all those seats where people voted Liberal Democrat rather than Conservative...


  1. Nice to see your grip on the black arts of propaganda is as strong as ever, this is almost as honest as that recent obituary I saw for one of your Labour colleagues which had my crying until I realised he'd been in government for 13 years had no real achievements,national or local and managed to sort himself out a nice job.

  2. You have obviously run out of sensible arguments, Mark, so now we are into video clip trickery. Well, guess it is not so different to the sleight of hand, or should that be WMDs, that took us to war in Iraq!

  3. Which party was it that got us into the Poo?

  4. I think I know the answer to that one Ken. The synarchy puppet neo-liberals of Maggie Thatcher. I would have thought you would have spotted the irony. The tories now lecturing us on the importance of building a manufacturing base etc.

    Would this mean Maggie's service economy is now seen for the madness it always was.

  5. Tony
    Who do you think rebuilt schools and built new ones? Who delivered high speed trains? Who reduced hospital waiting lists from 18 months to 6 weeks? Your partisanship is fine, but ignoring facts makes your point ridiculous.
    Bluenote sorry you do not have a sense of humour.
    Ken there are these people called bankers, they worked in the USA they concealed there workings and caused a global financial crisis.
    OK retired with the coalition you can say a plague on all 3 main parties.

  6. Mark, you really have little in the way of debating skills but plenty of the Labour tendency for going right off the topic under discussion. Tony was responding to your video clip manipulation as was I. As to my sense of humour, sure I enjoy a joke but I suspect your video has a darker intent than just a piece of fun.

    As for Retired, well it would be nice if he checked his facts before contributing. Our national manufacturing output declined more during the thirteen years of Labour than in the Thatcher/Major years. Mind you, this is the same contributor who regularly rants about cadet organisations and hints that the adults involved with them are perverted. Hardly someone to take seriously.

    In conclusion let me say I can find no comment here that disputes what Labour did about rebuilding schools or investing in the health service. The problem is. as always with your governments, they are always good a big state spending but not so hot on balancing the books and then, when it goes wrong, blame the Yanks!

  7. Mark, so our government did not notice these evil bankers,, did they take their eye off the ball!@!!

  8. Bluenote, various posts that Tony Flaig has placed have indeed suggested that nothing at all was done by the last Government to benefit the "working class" in the country. I have challenged that on Bignewsmargate and it is right to do so; the evidence simply does not support Flaig's argument. I suspect the point is simply being repeated here.

    As to whether it is right to "spend big", there are of course no rights and wrongs here. Many commentators have condemned the previous Tory administrations for underfunding the health, education and transport sectors, with infrastructure left to rot. Labour came into office with a promise to put that right. They have achieved some of their objectives, but clearly not all. But you only have to look around at the new hospitals, and the new schools, to see what the "big spend" has delivered. In 1997, and for some years after, that is what the public wanted.

    Whether all of that could have been achieved without developing a deficit - massively augmented of course by the worldwide banking crisis and recession - is arguable. As I said, there are no rights and wrongs. There is no precise science at work here.

  9. Anonymous 12:34, I could not agree more about the new schools and hospitals but it is a balancing act. As matters stand, we, as a nation, face big questions about whether we can afford to sustain the hitherto levels of state spending or cope with the potential time bomb of state and public sector pensions with increasing life expectancy of our population.

    I also agree there is no precise science and perhaps the biggest problem is that politicians try to pretend that it is all black and white. Tory cuts versus Labour spending has been the rerun process of successive governments over my lifetime with neither of the main parties ever seeming to get the balance right when in office.

    Perhaps, and we can but hope, that maybe the coalition, made up as it is of normally diametrically opposed visions, may just work.
    Fingers crossed!!

  10. Slightly off-topic perhaps: the Lib-Cons are claiming that it's unfair & discriminative to force people to retire at a certain age, yet no-one (& that includes Labour) bother mentioning the discrimination against younger people who earn a lesser wage than others for often doing exactly the same job! Why oh why does an 18 to 21-year-old still earn a lower minimum wage than other adults?